Lingering Shadows Part 2 - Campaign Stories

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Drogi

Drogi watched Iceliat take off for the inn as screaming people pushed and shoved their way past. He bit his lip as he saw the amount of agility and speed these no bodies had sprinted by. Sweat began to bead on the back of his neck and his shoulders tensed more than what was already there. He’d alternate which hand was on the drive wheel to push people out of his way and inch forward toward the clearing Iceliat once stood. His chest grew tight the more people they crowded, rushed, and yelled. In his head he tells himself, “It’s ok. It’s ok. It’s ok. This isn’t there.” Externally, he shouts profanities at any person that bumped into him. The crowd made him feel that the ever changing uncertainties meant that he would have to constantly change his game plan. As a soldier, if there was a change of plan, then that meant something had gone wrong. If something went wrong, someone usually died. From the way the people were panicking, he was positive someone had been killed or injured, and this just put him on high alert.

 

He could smell everyone who passed. They all smelled the same, but at different intensities. Dirt, sweat, garlic, and moldy bread. Everyone had these smells, just in different mixtures. He could smell if someone was coming from behind him that way. For the people who think of themselves as nobles, instead of dirt and sweat they smell of oil and musk, the garlic and old bread smell remains. To Drogi, there were always more people than there actually were. He’d see shadows in the corner of his eye intermittently. Some he recognised, some he didn’t. Some were clear as day, some were just large blurs with vague racial features. Without the smell, though, it was easier for the shadows to sneak up on him. The things that couldn’t harm him, though he wouldn’t admit it, scared him more than the things that physically could.

 

Once he made it to the clearing, he locked his breaks and leaned his elbows onto his knees. Staring at the space between his feet, he continued his mantra, “It’s ok. It’s ok. It’s ok.” His ribs were starting to hurt from the large inhales he was having to take to calm his nerves. He watched as drops of sweat fell from his forehead and hit the dirt making little clumps of asymmetrical spheres. The sweat collecting at his lips, he gave a strong exhale through pursed lips expelling a wide mist. His nerves had him hear the continuous impact of feet on dirt and stone. Different stride lengths and weight distribution of each step. A new set of steps were approaching him accompanied by the clanking of metal. Armor most likely. One hand unlocked a wheel’s brake which would allow him to make a sharp pivot, the other grabbing the hilt of a short sword stashed beneath his seat. He sat upright calmly and turned to see the source of the incoming rattle.

 

A guard in polished steel plate and crimson linen was quick stepping down towards Drogi. His hands were on his sword and side bag, but only to steady the bouncing from each step. When within speaking range he halted to attention and asked, “Master Drogi?”

 

“I’m no master.”

 

“Sir, I have been sent by Master Vatra to escort you and Master Iceliat to his estate. Is it safe to assume Master Iceliat is at the Horsehead Inn?”

 

“He’s no master, either. He’s a slaver and worst of all he’s a dickhead. And, yeah, he’s probably at the inn.” The guard began to go around Drogi and push his chair. With one brake still engaged, he was turned slightly and almost tipped out. “Ass! I’ve got it! Just go! I’ll see you both there.” He took off without a word. Drogi, more embarrassed than angry, unlocked the remaining brake, replaced his blade, and followed. His sweaty hands had no impact on his grip on the hand rim as he propelled himself forward. The calluses on his hands were as rough as improperly cured leather. Unappealing to the touch, it had the great function of allowing him to maintain grip on his weapons and chair. Every bump had a history, and that history was constantly replaying in his head.

 

By the time Drogi made it to the inn, the innkeeper was seated in a walking chair smoking a pipe. She was an Empyrean woman, older than Vatra, but with a younger energy. When they met she was able to give the same amount of sass back to Drogi. He’d pass her and greet her with “Drow” and, in turn, she’d shoot back with “Cripple”. Were this a different time, others might mistake this for flirting. She stood roughly the same height Drogi thought he still was. Her build was feminine and slender. Her voice was like a cascade of water over algae covered stone. Without a word, she made eye contact with Drogi and nodded a welcoming nod. Drogi was almost flustered, but was able to maintain his composure.

 

Just past the doorway, the guard was standing at attention talking to someone with their arms full of weapons, bags, and loose clothing. This was his chance to make things awkward for Iceliat. “Yeah! That’s him!” he said. “Take him in! He’s stealing all my things!” The guard turned questioningly. Drogi all but gave up and hazed the guard. After some clarifying remarks, Iceliat dropped items into Drogi’s lap and looped two bags on the rear of his chair. “You guys are garbage,” no one heard. They were already on their way to the estate. “Garbage,” he said, again, under a broken whisper.

 

Drogi recollected himself and turned. The innkeeper stood, pipe held by her lips, and dusted the rear of her brown pleated, full-length skirt. Drogi watched her without realizing how long he was gawking. She walked to him, bent to meet his eye level, inhaled from her pipe long and audible. She removed the pipe and exhaled a plume into Drogi’s face. Unperturbed, he inhaled through his nose. With smoke still leaving her mouth as she spoke, she said “Half man”, then walked away.

 

Drogi shuttered at that and struggled to find a retort. He wanted to say “barely a woman”, but he also knew that didn’t make any sense. Instead, he went with “Adam’s apple.” He wasn’t proud of that one. Though her voice was deeper than most, it was still feminine and endearing. From behind, he heard her chuckle like she knew he regretted going with that attempt of an insult. He loosened his grip from his drive wheel and let gravity take him down the slight incline. He wouldn’t feel his shoulders relax until he was at the final dip. “Damn Empyreans. Nothing but trouble.”

 

He fell behind the other two, losing them, and had to ask a few people for directions. Most just pointed, others pretended to not hear him. He asked a few others if they knew what happened at the court, but everyone had a different story. Harpy. Eagle. Demon angel. The only common description was black wings. The number of eyes, wings, and claws changed anytime he asked. He eventually accepted that asking questions about the event was useless. All anyone knew for certain was that it leapt into the sky, bursting from the old stone ceiling, and disappeared into the surrounding woods. He thought the same thing about every person, after every answer: “useless”.

 

When Drogi reached Vatra’s estate, he performed the type of wheelie he had to teach himself to ascend curbs. Wheelchairs weren’t a common tool people used. Usually, if you became paralyzed, you were taken in by your family and they would tend to your needs. Drogi, on the other hand, couldn’t allow himself to be cared for. He came up with a quick sketch, had a carpenter and blacksmith collaborate, and in two weeks he had his chair. It had a low profile backrest, canted wheels to allow for stability and shaper turning, a dumped seat to prevent anterior sliding when he sat upright, and hooks, loops, and bars placed strategically to hang his gear for easy access and allow for full range of motion when he would swing a weapon. The rear handles were added, not by design, but because the two builders were presumptuous. Instead of having them removed, Drogi just bit his lip. At the bottom-rear were anti-tip wheels that prevented him from being tipped posteriorly. The narrow and shortened foot plates, though allowed for small room negotiation, made tipping forward more possible than desired. The chair was fitted with a lap strap so if he were to fall, the chair wouldn’t be separated from him. This made him feel too restrained, so they usually hung loose behind the chair. He had to learn his maneuvers on his own and in private. He refused to let anyone see him struggle or fail. He changed his naturally fighting style to something more conservative. For now, gone were the times of graceful parries and impactful strikes. He now relies on wide arc swings and the force of a ram. Learning the wheelie to ascend steps was one of the last things he focused on. The weight shifted back threw him off balance and would at times throw him back. Fortunately, the unplanned rear handles prevented his head from direct contact with the ground. Once he became more proficient, he felt more comfortable maneuvering around people and within small rooms.

 

He was met at the main entrance by a different house guard than the one who was sent to retrieve him. This one, possibly not expecting a warrior in a chair, looked down in surprise then gave a smile in pity. Unappreciated, Drogi pushed past and ran over one of his feet. The guard yelped and bent down. Head now within range, Drogi headbutt him with a hollow thunk. “Oops,” he said, as he pushed through. “What’s a cripple gotta do to get a drink around here!” he shouted, making his presence certain and known. Vatra and Iceliat were standing over the second floor railing. “Oh Master Asshat! Master Dickhead! May this lowly veteran enter and have a pint of ale?” They both smirked lightly. Vatra ordered one servant to retrieve some ale, and had a guard help Drogi up the steps. Drogi, of course, declined. He moved toward the steps, transferred to the first step, folded his chair in half by a hinge sagittally placed. He would bump up two steps, then pull his chair up. He did this for the fifteen steps, reopened his chair at the top, transferred in, then said “I don’t need slaves to help me.”

 

A human servant returned with a glass pitcher of foaming ale and responded with her hands clasped just below her navel, “We’re not slaves, sir. We are paid and taken care of. Some are here voluntarily, and others have the chance to pay off their debts.”

 

“Who the fuck are you?” She was ruining his point. It’s hard to debate the wrongness of slavery when one is trying to convince everyone else that they’re fine with the situation. That made him even more sympathetic to these people. To him, there was nothing sadder than being a slave and not realizing they’re a slave. She was about to respond with her name, but he didn’t give her the chance. “It doesn’t matter. Whether you know it or not, we’re all subservient to someone.” He side-eyed down the steps, then back to the Empyrean and Ateri. “Now leave so I can set these dicks right.”

 

Vatra looked to Iceliat, “Have you ever noticed his fondness for using words that describe us as genitals or an anus?” Iceliat raised his eyebrows while turning to look at Drogi. “I once heard that one way to know what’s on a person’s mind is the vocabulary they use persistently. I’d argue that Drogi’s mind is full of dicks and butts.” Iceliat chuckled.

 

“Hey! Shut your mouth you, di-Drow! I don’t need this.” He rolled to the sitting area eyeballing his drink. He poured a glass full and held it up for a moment. “Brothers and sisters,” he thought to himself, then he drank. His eyes closed and watered. He could feel the lukewarm amber coat his mouth in an earthy sheet. The sensation as it ran down his throat and into his gut felt like what a dry flower must feel like during its first rain in weeks. His shoulders sank, relaxed. He brought the glass to his lap and held it with both hands. He inhaled deep, exhaled slowly, then opened his eyes. “What now?” he said softly.

 

Iceliat and Vatra brought him up-to-date on what has transpired and what they have learned. Vatra had been exonerated of the crime of his parents murder. His uncle, though uncertain of the circumstances, welcomed him home and offered to hand over the property. Vatra declined, however, thanked his uncle and asked that he continue his lead until his next return. His uncle accepted graciously. The story of what transpired at the courtroom was still unclear and full of inconsistent details. Vatra suggested they stay at the estate for a day or two to clean themselves, heal, and re-supply.

 

The three sat silently, staring into the fire. Drogi had transferred himself into a cushioned chair. He noticed that both the other men had removed their boots and saw that each of their feet were blistered at the heel and little toe, and a few nails had broken. “You two need bigger boots.” They looked at him quizzically. “Your feet swell. It makes a proper fitting boot feel too small. The moisture from your sweat softens the skin and allows for an agitating friction.” Drogi had young soldiers with similar wounds. He remembered how he was once a father figure. He was a leader, of course, but more than commanding, he truly cared about his men. His thought was if you treat them like soldiers, they’ll follow you to war, but if you treat them like brothers, they’ll follow you to hell. His command was stern and kind. Vatra and Iceliat looked at each other and nodded in agreement that the statements made sense.

 

Drogi, still staring into the flames, sipped on his ale again. He had been nursing the same glass for an hour now. He didn’t like becoming inebriated anymore, it messed with his senses and made him sloppy. Drinking to forget was a temporary fix. Action was the only way to heal. “I once led a small team charged with finding a thief who stole from a room full of coins and artifacts from a royal family near the Stonefort. It was an impossible amount to be done by one man. I believed there had to be a man on the inside, maybe a guard or servant, who let the thief in.

 

He was last seen entering the Whispering Woods, so we tracked him through the maze of foliage and thorns. It was supposed to be a simple mission. I can still feel the mist on my skin and smell the petrichor in the air. We searched all night. We made camp and began again at sunrise. Immediately, we noticed one of us missing. Not missing. Just, not there. He was still in his makeshift tent, but his neck was cut and filled with gold coins. The bastard came in the middle of the night, not a single one of us heard him, and he killed one of my men. For three days we searched, and every day we lost one man. We changed how we slept, how we pulled guard, and how large of fire we would maintain. We even tried a night without sleep.

 

One of my men was stabbed in each lung and buried up to his neck. The dirt was the only thing maintaining his breathing. If we pulled him out we would have killed him by suffocation. I still don’t know how a hole was dug, a man was stabbed in his lungs, then buried, and all the while not one of us heard this happen. In the morning he was just a head. We thought he had been decapitated. It may have been a better way to go. There’s nothing we could’ve done either way. He either died by the elements or we would be the ones who killed him by trying to save him. In the end, we gave him ale and wine to fall asleep drunk and unaware. I had the remaining men move forward and away so I could,” he paused, “take care of my soldier.

 

When I caught up to my men, they had stopped walking and were looking up into the canopy. They told me they all heard whispering. Voices were calling their names and they each heard personal details no one in this area should know. They stared upward for so long they hadn’t noticed that another one of us had gone missing. When the whispers no longer returned we continued following the tracks. It would have made more sense to quit and regroup, but we felt like the perpetrator was just around the corner.

 

We found the missing soldier a few hours later. He had been strung up by one foot and anchored by one arm. His clothes and armor had been removed, neatly folded, and placed on a flat rock about thirty yards away. He was eviscerated. His torso had been cleanly opened and his organs removed. I still don’t know where they may have been placed. Maybe a bear or cougar got to it before we did. His trunk should have been hollow, but it held an antique lamp. It was lit like he was some kind of artistic streetlamp. With only two of my soldiers remaining, I accepted defeat. We tried to back track and leave the forest, but the tracks were visibly disappearing. We weren’t sure if we were following real footsteps anymore.

 

We had to stay in those woods one more night, and we were sure one of us would be missing by daylight. The armor was missing, but the clothes were pinned to a tree with large spikes. They were stuffed with dead leaves to look like a body was still in them. We checked. The body wasn’t missing, really. It was just in pieces. From every joint, my soldier was disarticulated. Every knuckle, knee, tooth, carpal and tarsal separated from the body. Worse still, there wasn’t a drop of blood to be found. On any of the bodies, in fact. All three bodies were drained of their life and not a drop was spilled.”

 

“Vampire?” asked Iceliat.

 

“Nope,” Drogi shook his head. “We found the blood later. All of it. The separated limbs and viscera were laid about in a way that led us to an exit. Close by, still within the woods, was a hollowed out tree stump that held the blood of all three men. Flies were buzzing around it, some drowning in it. A deer was drinking from the bowl of crimson. It stopped long enough to assess us as a threat. I think it could tell how fatigued and worn we were because it went right back to lapping up its free drink. Our feet dragged. The heads of the three men were set onto broken pikes at the exit and facing the clearing. Their eyelids were removed as if to mock them by showing them the field they’d never get to walk through.

 

We returned to the household who hired us. It turns out that nothing was stolen after all. One of the younger children of the household had stashed things away as a prank. I told them about how three men died, without the details. He told me how it was good news for me and my remaining companion, because now we didn’t have to split the money five ways. That is, if we received it in full. They paid us our hiring fee, but withheld some because we weren’t the ones to have found the missing goods.” Drogi took another sip. “He took his own life a few days later, my remaining companion. He hung his armor, folded his clothes like the ones we found in the woods, and wrote a note that only said ‘Expendable and replaceable. I love you, Sera.’ He was found by his toddler daughter in the morning hanging from his second floor bedroom balcony. He wasn’t wrong. I didn’t know it at the time. I chalked it up to duty. I lost four men because of a prank. Not one of them is remembered by the townsfolk, only by their direct loved ones.”

 

“And you,” corrected Vatra.

 

“And me,” Drogi accepted.

 

“Did you ever find out what happened in the woods?” asked Iceliat.

 

Drogi shook his head. “Everytime I tell the story, everyone gives me their own theory. Vampires. Imps. Dire wolves. The thing is, those creatures and beasts don’t kill for the sake of it. For the spectacle or string up bodies and place objects within them. We’re food to what’s out there. Nothing was eaten. Just desecrated.”

 

“Why are you telling us this?” Iceliat wondered.

 

“Hmm. I don’t know.” Drogi believed he had been reflecting on the past few weeks with this party and started wondering if anything similar was going to happen to this party. He wondered if, not only is he cursed, but if people around him get cursed too. “All I know is that I’ll never step foot into the Whispering Wood again.” He began to finish his drink.

 

“Well, of course,” Iceliat shared empathetically.

 

“Yea,” added Vatra, “because, you know, your legs don’t work.”

 

Drogi spit his mouthful into the air in a fine mist of yellow ferment followed by a tearful laugh. “You toad sucking son of a!” Iceliat joined in softly and Vatra looked back into the fire.

 

Once the men finished their drinks, they were all escorted to their rooms for the night. Vatra decided to stay in the study a bit longer. Iceliat was roomed just across the way in a room by the stairs. Drogi was escorted to Vatra’s old room, where he sat and looked into his reflection from the darkened window. The visions of the story he told rushed through his head. The faces of the lost men seemed to be in the reflection with him. He knew they weren’t there, but it was good to see them. They looked better than the last time he saw them. Especially now that they had their eyelids back. He leaned forward to touch the glass. The mens’ faces disappeared and he noticed a glimmer like black wings reflecting light. He squinted to better focus on this large bird. Not a bird. Something bigger. Something flying directly towards him. “The fuck?”

 

Iceliat

Iceliat placed his gear to the side of the entrance of his accommodations and scanned the quarters. To him, it wasn’t the best guest room he’s stayed in, or provided, but it was clean and adorned with ostentatious decorations and filigree he had grown accustomed to. The room’s color scheme was gold leaf and crimson. Most of the furniture was made with a red oak frame that had been maintained with a polish and citrus cleaner. A bowl of potpourri consisting of dried lavender and chamomile sat on the dresser giving him an aroma that invited restfulness and relaxation.

 

His feet had dried and could feel the blisters sting to the exposed air. His skin cracked as he flexed and extended his toes, and his joints popped as he supinated and pronated his ankles. A servant had placed his boots by this room’s fireplace to dry. The fireplace was smaller than the den’s but it was sufficient enough to light and warm the room. Next to the flame was a large bucket of potable water, a rag, a towel, and a pouring cup. Not large enough to bathe in, but certainly a welcome sight. To be able to clean his skin of the dried sweat salts and dirt was a commodity he didn’t know he missed. A small container of salve was placed on the nightstand at the head of the bed. Once he washed up, he would apply the ointment to all his wounds, blisters, and blemishes. It smelled of eucalyptus and mint. He enjoyed the smell so much that he lightly coated the tip of a finger and dabbed the skin just underneath his nose. It seemed to open his airway and made his lungs feel like they hadn’t been inhaling fire pit smoke and other random particles over the past few weeks.

 

His body sank into the mattress and felt like he was being embraced by an old friend. The animal skins and furs that lined the bed offered warmth and a heavy pressure that eased his aches. He was ready to close his eyes and enter a world that couldn’t harm him. As he shut his eyes he was immediately startled by the sound of glass breaking and profanity coming from the direction of Drogi’s room. He jolted upward, threw on a robe, and grabbed his staff. He opened his door and saw Vatra, still in the den, looking into the hallway toward where the sound came from. Two guards rushed by and headed to the room.

 

Once they heard profanity coming from the room, Iceliat knew Drogi was in distress. There was a clear difference between Drogi being rude and being attacked. He could hear items breaking and heavy furniture being shifted around. Vatra stumbled to find his boots and grab his staff. Iceliat moved on ahead, running as fast as one could indoors, to check on the situation. Nearing the room, a guard was thrown out and slammed against the opposing wall. His body slumped into unconsciousness. He checked for his breathing, fingers at the carotid. He’d be fine save for the headache. He slammed the end of his staff into the ground and a faint red tornado began to form. The gaseous vortex grew into a semi-solid pillar, then began to take the form of a long armed, featureless summon.

 

Iceliat entered the room in time to notice a pale, hairless figure grab Drogi and his chair into the air with elongated fingers and claws. It was female based on the present and visible attributes: wide hips and breasts. She had wings that took a majority of the room. They were raven black and four in total. Her skin was spoiled milk white and covered in symmetrical purple tattoos that swirled at the muscle bodies and flowed past the joints. They seemed to be glowing and glittering with every wing flap and trunk turn. Drogi was bleeding at the point of contact with the claws. She threw him and the chair out the window with already exposed broken glass. Shards caught his leg and sliced his lateral thigh releasing a thin trail of blood. He was too far to be saved, but Iceliat tried his best to tame the flying beast.

 

The room was too small and cramped for anything to be done elegantly. His summon kept getting knocked back and blasts from his staff kept hitting surrounding furniture sending splinters, cotton, and glass throughout the room. A guard was in the room trying to swing a sword only to be flung away by the flapping wings. She had no interest in the men in the room and inched toward the window. Vatra had come in behind Iceliat, realized the issue with space and left. The guard had been knocked over by a desk thrown into him giving the flying woman space to exit through the window. Following, Iceliat watched as she landed near a crawling Drogi. He was alive, but hurt pretty badly. She attacked and he used his chair as a temporary shield before she could make contact. Iceliat sent the summon out the window to attack, but it was knocked away with every attempt. Iceliat tried to send a blast her way, but was interrupted by his summon being thrown back at him. He tumbled backward and the summon vanished like a drop of blood getting lost in a bucket of water. He returned to the window, ready to jump. Both she and Drogi were in the air, about five feet off the ground and climbing. He took the chance to send a blast, but she was too fast. At fifteen feet, Iceliat thought this was it. Drogi was going to be taken away. From his bottom right, came a flaming ball that made direct contact to this beast’s back, between the wings. It screeched in pain, arched back, and dropped Drogi. He hit the floor with a solid thud and laid motionless. Iceliat fired again making contact with the injured demon bird. It turned, fumbled, then recorrected its balance. Before leaving, it took a long look at the three men, taking in the details and remembering who would be the future target. She hissed and with large flaps that cut the air around her, she flew backwards into the darkness.

 

In the rush of things, Iceliat hadn’t noticed that he hadn’t been wearing his boots. There were new cuts to the bottom and sides of his feet. He used his staff to dislodge the large pieces and cleared a path to the guard in the room. He was still alive and breathing, but it was obvious he had a broken humerus and a cut on his cheek that was going to need attention. The guard in the hallway was awake and rubbing the back of his head. He stood, obviously still seeing stars, and entered the room that a storm had just ravaged. He took the place of Iceliat and cradled his partner trying to shake him awake.

 

Iceliat returned to the den, sat, and began to pry the small shards and splinters from his feet. He used a nearby pitcher of water to wash away the mix of dry and wet blood, and used an end table’s runner to dry his feet when he was done. He poured a glass of water for himself and sank into his cushioned throne. He’d wait here until the others returned.

 

 

Vatra

Vatra stared into the fire, hoping they would tell him what his next steps should be. Over and over again, he saw the same image: a bird. He understood the Phoenix was a threat, but he needed to know the next step closer to home. He could talk to the fire as much as he’d like, but it doesn’t show you what you want to know, just what you should know. What “should be” didn’t matter to him at the moment. He had a single goal in mind and keeping up the charade was difficult with so many turns thrown at him.

 

He was growing impatient and almost decided to give up on the flames. His leg shook in angered anticipation. He heard glass shatter to his right. He thought that he had vibrated the floor boards so vigorously that glass shifted off. That was until he heard a slur of profane words coming from Drogi’s room.

 

He stood and heard commotion continue in that direction. He leaned over the balcony and shouted to the door guard to send two guards to his uncle, two guards to the room, and have all the service staff lock themselves into their quarters. The guard gave orders to a number of guards out of sight from Vatra, and heard a unifying “Sir!” Like clockwork, four guards rushed up the stairs. Two to Drogi and two to Vatra’s uncle. The door guard left to, presumably, alert the staff.

 

Turning back, he noticed Iceliat standing in the open door frame of his quarters and assess Vatra’s reaction. It was clear something was not as it should be. Iceliat ran out of the room with staff in hand. Vatra began to don his boots, stumbled forward, and landed directly onto his knee cap. Too urgent to feel embarrassed, he rolled and slipped on his other boot. He side-rolled, grabbed his staff, and ran to Drogi’s room.

 

Iceliat was standing in the doorway, barely having room for himself. A guard was passed out on the floor behind him showing signs of life by a rising and falling chest. In the room, he saw Iceliat’s summon trying to get close to the winged beast on the inside. “Is that?” Vatra began to ask no one. He believed this thing resembled the cause of the havoc at the courtroom. The window was shattered inward and left obstacles all over the floor. Vatra turned to head downstairs and outside. The town guard was still here, so he shouted for him to come with. The guard, without question, followed. They ran out and jumped over the railing of the front porch toward the side of the estate. Vatra was more nimble than he seemed. Around the corner he saw Drogi, bloodied, pull his chair over himself as the winged figure tried to strike. It grabbed the chair and threw it. The summon was attempting to help, but being thwacked by a pair of right wings was flung back through the window thumping into something or someone unseen. Drogi was in the grasp of the beast now, being elevated upward.

 

The guard came from the back and said in a shock, “That’s the thing.” Immediately, Vatra knew what he meant. The guard stepped back, almost ready to flee.

 

Vatra grabbed the guard by both shoulders and locked eyes with him, “We need to help,” he said. The guards were as wide as saucers, pupils as large as a snake whole. His eyes darted side to side, then to Vatra’s. He nodded and fixed his posture and composure. They quickly moved to the flying couple. Vatra shot a concentrated blast but missed by yard. With every flap a feather would fall from the sky and gently land with a spin. Vatra steadied himself and fired a burning blast. The beast screeched and dropped Drogi roughly fifteen feet from the sky as the blast burst the center mass of its back. More obsidian feathers, this time singed, began to spread and layer on the ground. The guard rushed to Drogi and began to pull him up and over his shoulder. Vatra continued to fire and miss. It seemed all his luck was in that final shot, but at least he could lay suppressive fire. From the window flew a light blue energy with a white tail finding its target without fail. The monstrosity centered itself and sized Vatra and the person, most likely Iceliat, at the window. Maybe feeling injured, the beast took off into the darkness gaining and losing elevation as it did.

 

Vatra’s heart was racing. He could hear his heartbeat over the night’s wind. He could feel every thump down to the bone to the point where his teeth chattered. That was a powerful beast, and he was certain if it decided to approach him, not even his Lich form could save him. He loosened his grip on his staff and planted it, using it as a walking stick. He leaned against it with both arms and dropped his chest in fatigue. He was finally able to gather himself and replay everything that had transpired. “Why Drogi?” he thought to himself. He stood, stretched his neck side to side, then made his way to the estate’s entrance. Though he wasn’t injured, it felt like this was the first time using his legs and ached with every step.

 

Drogi was placed on a sofa facing the fire. His legs were elevated and draped over an armrest. His breathing was labored, but a breath none-the-less. “Tell the servants that it’s okay to come out. Have one of them bring salve and something to stitch his wounds. Have another one tell my uncle and his guards about the all clear.” The town guard clicked his heels and set off. He must have not known where the servants quarters were because he ascended the steps. Before he could stop him, Vatra was certain he’d find a guard up there and relay the message. A moment later, a house guard descended the steps two at a time and clumsily bumped his way through the doorway.

 

Vatra turned to look out the door before shutting it. Nothing but stars and the streetlights were visible now, no sense of danger, but he could feel something in the distance watching. A tingle rose up his spine. Stepping back, he shut the door, and slid the lock into place. He knew whatever that creature was earlier wouldn’t even notice the lock when and if it decided to break in. His heart had finally returned to a resting pace. He ascended the steps to check on Iceliat and the others who were in the room. Iceliat and a house guard were sitting in the den. The town guard was standing in the doorway of Drogi’s room assessing the destruction. The house guard noticed him and stood at attention, woozy from a potential concussion. Vatra told him to sit and rest. Hesitantly, but grateful, he obeyed.

 

Iceliat was sitting in the same chair from when it was just the two of them. His legs were in a figure four as he sipped a drink. His bloodied feet left trails that led directly to him. His feet were scabbed over now to the point where it looked like he was wearing a black, fitted sock that had little compartments for each toe. He seemed indifferent, but still asked, “Drogi?”

 

“He’s alive. Barely. I’ll have someone stitch him up and put some salve on his wounds, but I’m not sure of the outcome.”

 

“He’s too stubborn to die.” He repositioned. There were most likely wounds on his back and rear that prevented him from finding comfort. Vatra offered to have someone come and pluck the splinters from the hard to reach areas. Iceliat declined with “My body will push them out eventually. No need to expose anyone else to my mess.” Vatra shrugged in acceptance. “Was that your blast that hit her?” Vatra nodded as he poured himself a drink. “You may have saved him, you know?”

 

“Yeah. I didn’t really think it through.” They both laughed softly to themselves. The house guard had passed out missing out on the banter. “Your blasts from the window?” Iceliat nodded. “I’m sure that’s what actually had her retreat. You may have saved us all.”

 

Iceliat shrugged. “Yeah. I didn’t think it through, either.” He went to uncross his legs, stopped with a wince, then slowly extended both legs straight ahead of him. The fire revealed two swollen feet, red and pulsing. Vatra would have again offered a service, but decided against it. “Any idea?” Vatra shook his head and compared what he had seen at the courtroom. He wanted to be sure of the facts before sharing inaccurate details. Iceliat chimed in, “I believe it was the same thing from the courtroom.”

 

“That’s right, you were there,” Vatra said. He was more surprised about his presence rather than the statement. Iceliat had mentioned that he saw something at the church earlier, and he wasn’t sure how he should react. So, he pretended that he already knew.

 

Iceliat nodded. “We both were. I was the only one to see anything from the window. Drogi was my step stool and kept talking, so I couldn't understand what was being said.” That comforted Vatra a little. “I saw the jury’s room door burst open and saw the form of what I believe was just here. I’ve never seen anything like that before. You?” Vatra shook his head and shrugged. “I thought it was a harpy at first, but they aren’t that strong or durable. What we hit her with should’ve killed her. Or, at least, floored her.”

 

“It seemed to focus on Drogi, didn’t it?” Iceliat perked up while recollecting the events. “Everyone who was there attacked, but they were only pushed back. She could have attacked any one of us, killed some even, after he was tossed out the window, but she followed him. I believe he was targeted. I think Drogi knows something.”


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August 7, 2026
Transcribed content from our recent YouTube video: https://youtu.be/XjrHg-Eexds Transcription [00:00:00] Welcome back to the Eternity TTRPG YouTube channel, where I cover different happenings in the tabletop role-playing universe, as well as talk about the game that we have been working on, um, with the Eternity TTRPG. So we have been covering all nine of the races that are in the Eternity world, and we only have two left, so I'm gonna cover those two today. It's gonna be the Esper and the Stoneborn. These two are my personal favorites because they were the races of my first two characters. So hopping right in with the Esper. The Esper can actually be any race, um, because they're a part of a world incident. Okay, so this world incident is that a star fell to the world of Eternity. And when this star fell, it let [00:01:00] off all of this magic stardust and just covered the skin of the beings that were there. So if you were a human that was there, you would be covered in now these, like, runic constellation kind of tattoos, right? So that could happen to humans, Jadori, Treants, um, Aeteri, Empyrean, if you've been following along for a while and know those other races, right? So the thing about Esper is because they're covered in all of this magical stardust, they have really high magic casting abilities, right? So they're gonna be really good in your classes that focus on that casting. I personally played a summoner with this class the first time, which a summoner, you get to have a familiar with you, and I chose a dragon, and it was all about, like, buffing that dragon. So my idea was that this star being [00:02:00] was channeling all of the stardust energy into the dragon and making it stronger, bigger, faster, and hit harder. Um, it was a really fun character to play and a really cool take on an idea, right? Um, of course, there are a lot of ideas that you can go with with this, um, star incident that happened and how to interpret that into your world, into, um, how your character roleplays and everything, because maybe you're an astronomer that wants to understand what happened and why did the star fall from the sky. Real quick to interrupt. Eternity TTRPG is releasing a card game battler which emulates combat from the D&D tabletop role-playing genre. Sparks of Eternity: Emanation is fast-paced, easy to learn, and features six classes from your favorite TTRPGs. Each class deck comes with its own set of unique abilities, which everyone plays at the same time, so there's never any downtime at your table. Each turn, everyone's [00:03:00] characters levels up, giving players access to even more options. If you're interested in taking a look, we have our pre-sales page live now, packed with details. No payment info needed. Just let us know if you want an email when the product becomes available. Now, back to your video switching gears to the Stoneborn. So like I said, this was the other class that I played right when I first started playing this roleplaying game. And Stoneborn, like the Esper, can be any existing race. So they had a world incident happen to them, and they can be any existing race because of this world incident. So once again, human, Jadori, Treant, Ateri, Empyrean. Okay? So with Stoneborn, what happened with them is think of like this group of miners went into a cave near a volcano that they didn't realize was a volcano and they're [00:04:00] mining, mining, they have their different veins of, um, geological items that they're going after and one of them strikes just right into one of these veins and makes the volcano erupt and in this eruption there is this, um, organic material that explodes out and this organic material embeds itself into these miners that were there and along with the miners anybody that was in close proximity, um, just outside of this dormant volcano, right? So what this does now is that these people that were infected with the, um, organic stone material is now they crave eating stones, they crave eating rocks, okay? Any kind of rock and based on that rock is what their [00:05:00] being turns into. So if one of these races, people that decided to eat rocks decided to have volcanic rocks, they would have this volcanic kind of monstrous body. Um, however, let's say that a human thief wanted to eat the diamonds they were stealing, they would start to have diamonds appear all over their skin and eventually turn into a diamond. So it's a really cool idea that you can work with, with this idea of shape-shifting and how does the rock change my body and then it leads to the storylines of like, well, how far can this go with the rocks and did I have to be there at that volcanic eruption to become this or does it pass down through generations and what happens towards the end of Stoneborn's life? Um, it is speculated in lore that they actually become statues [00:06:00] based on all of the rock that they've consumed. Um, so is there a reversal for that or is there just a completely different story that needs to be fleshed out? Um, with the Stoneborn being, um, you know, made of rock, like a box of rocks, um, they have very high strength because rocks typically are very hard to break, right? So this idea with really high strength makes them very good as like your berserker classes, your thief, your assassin. Um, I personally played this, um, race as a, um As a mixed class, that was a caster/um, melee fighter, and it turned out really good. It was really fun. It's actually one of my favorite characters. I always thought that my, um, Stoneborn was a human that ate, like, icy rocks, so they were blue and frosted and really cool, right? I can still picture that in my mind, and that was a campaign that I wish had finished, [00:07:00] but it didn't. Maybe someday I will go back to that character, though. So that wraps up all nine of our races that we have in the world of Eternity. Um, in upcoming videos, I do hope to go over all of the classes now. There are 30 classes in this game that I will have to get through, so it's gonna take a while, especially with sprinkling in other stuff going on in the tabletop roleplaying community because I know you all aren't here just for the Eternity game. You're here for other tabletop news. So stay tuned, comment, like, subscribe. Let us know how we're doing, um, and we'll keep you updated. Have a good one. Bye.
August 2, 2026
Transcribed content from our recent YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CgZalFW8U8 Transcription [00:00:00] Welcome back to Eternity TTRPG YouTube channel, uh, where I sometimes go over the happenings with Eternity, but I also cover things in the tabletop role-playing world. If you saw our last video, I was talking about the World of Warcraft leaks related to Dungeons and Dragons. Um, Gen Con did happen this weekend, and it turns out that is now confirmed. D&D is having a crossover with World of Warcraft, but this also brings up a lot of ideas that were revealed and what is happening now in the Dungeons and Dragons universe. So with that in mind, let's hop right into it, okay? So as you know, in the last video, I covered the leak with the World of Warcraft, Dungeons and Dragons crossover, and that was a leak from Roll20, which obviously is very ingrained with what Dungeons and Dragons is doing, and it ended up being very accurate, um, [00:01:00] being that we are going to get a campaign setting from World of Warcraft. We're gonna be getting all 13 original classes from World of Warcraft, and we're gonna see what happens there. From everything that I saw in my research that I was doing, is that we're gonna be seeing a campaign from the Icecrown Citadel, which is gonna be, you know, Arthas' world, um, Arthas being one of the big world bos- bosses from Wrath of the Lich King. So I think that'll be something really neat to be looking into. I think we're also gonna be getting some minis that are gonna be, um, supportive in that, um, seeing all the classic, you know, Alliance races, Horde races, and all of their classes. So not really what I was necessarily hoping to see because I think they could have done a lot more with it. But I also think it's gonna bring in a lot of people that [00:02:00] are World of Warcraft fans and, you know, really liked the classic feel of Wrath of the Lich King. Um, the other thing that I saw was a miniature for Illidan. So I don't know if we're gonna be getting anything from his time in the World of Warcraft lore. But given that we saw minis for it, I could see something happening there too real quick to interrupt. Eternity TTRPG is releasing a card game battler which emulates combat from the D&D tabletop role-playing genre. Sparks of Eternity: Emanation is fast-paced, easy to learn, and features six classes from your favorite TTRPGs. Each class deck comes with its own set of unique abilities, which everyone plays at the same time, so there's never any downtime at your table. Each turn, everyone's characters levels up, giving players access to even more options. If you're interested in taking a look, we have our pre-sales page live now, packed with details. No payment [00:03:00] info needed. Just let us know if you want an email when the product becomes available. Now, back to your video so with this crossover of D&D into World of Warcraft, it brings up the idea of the Universes Beyond initiative. So I've seen this in Magic: The Gathering. I think they've-- Magic: The Gathering has done this the most, if not the only one that's done it so far, is this, um, crossover of worlds, right? So Magic: The Gathering did a crossover with Final Fantasy, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Spider-Man, and it brought in those crowds as far as the collecting side of it. I think the playing side of it a little bit too, because, you know, you see your classic characters that you like. But Magic: The Gathering did it and now it looks like D&D is doing it. So D&D obviously did it with World of Warcraft, and they're talking about doing it with Star Wars. Um, [00:04:00] so if you're a big Star Wars fan, this is gonna be another way to get into D&D, I guess. Um, what we know about the Star Wars, um, products that are coming to D&D is that details are super limited, but we know that it's focusing on the Rebellion era. So if that is your thing, that is great for you. Um, personally, I'm not a Star Wars fan, but I've watched the movies. I don't feel like I know enough about that universe. Um, so also from D&D, we had the idea that some of the classic settings are returning, like Grayhawk and Dark Sun. Um, once again, I don't know much about D&D because tabletops, uh, were first introduced to me five years ago, mostly through my husband's game, Eternity. So, you know, I read this stuff, but I don't personally know much about it. Um, so you have, like I said, Universes Beyond coming. You have some of these classic settings returning, but you don't really-- [00:05:00] I mean, until we see it, we don't really know what it's gonna be. Um, so with not being able to actually see what's going on and just having this speculation, right, I think it's creating a divide in the community of tabletop of D&D because you have, you know, your fans that are excited to see the crossovers happening with their classic things that they like, like World of Warcraft, Star Wars, right? But then it calls into question of are we running out of ideas? Is the tabletop world running out of ideas or are we just redefining what tabletop is? I was having a conversation, um, just a couple days ago about what tabletop really is and what I see it as. And, you know, I see it as the great idea of imagination. Um, SpongeBob reference there if you didn't get it. But [00:06:00] um, you're just getting to have your imagination blossom as an adult rather than keep it all when you're a kid playing with your, you know, Barbie dolls or race cars or monster trucks, you know? So as an adult with D&D, you're just diving into these other worlds that maybe you wish were real or you wish you could be a part of. But it feels strange because you're an adult, so you call it D&D, and it makes you feel a little bit better, right? Um, but anyway, that's... I just, I think D&D is all about this idea of getting your imagination to roam wild. So if you're gonna be doing that, then let it roam. And if you enjoy it from the World of Warcraft standpoint, Star Wars standpoint, or as I mentioned, the, uh, Avatar: The Last Airbender or Final Fantasy, then let it roll and [00:07:00] let it happen. And if it makes you happy, then great. Um, because I just, I think there are so many things in this world that has already been thought of, but if you get to think about it from your standpoint, then there's more that you get to do. So go be in those worlds and go have fun with it, and we'll see what happens with all of these new releases coming out and what D&D is trying to do for the community. As always, thank you for watching. Um, make sure you drop any questions below, comments, uh, like, subscribe, all that good stuff. Um, let us know what you wanna hear, if you wanna know more opinions, um, and just we'll try to keep it going with all the happenings in the tabletop universe, you know. Have a good one. Bye.
July 28, 2026
Transcribed content from our recent YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3YOVDF4dMs Transcription [00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome back to Eternity TTRPG. It's been a little bit since I've been on with you as, uh... But today we have back Mildred the Monk, who is a friend of the channel. Uh, we had a great conversation last time. I have reviewed Final Fantasy Legends Edition, and you guys really liked it. Those are some of our most viewed videos, and we just wanted to bring you back on today. Thanks for coming on. Excited to talk. Thank you for having me. I enjoy being had So we're gonna be talking a- about a couple different things today, but let's start with, I think, the thing that the most number of people will be interested in who follow your work, at least as of recently as well, but jobs and classes for Final Fantasy Legend Edition. Do you wanna give people, like, a quick intro for those who don't know about this edition? So Legend Edition I started about [00:01:00] five years ago as originally it was an idea that kind of up, that kind of showed up in my head and wouldn't leave. Um, that idea of, um, taking Legend System, which was a three, a D&D 3.5 hack, um, that was part of the Test of Spite Arena Challenge on Giant in the Playground years and years ago, taking its track system that I thought was very interesting and applying the job system to, that's in Final Fantasy to it. That was the, that was a two-part stream that I did, that I did five years ago. had to be two parts because midway through, um, Mother Nature intervened we said, "All right, we'll do part two when, when, when things clear up tomorrow." Oh gosh. And when we-- And after that, the idea wouldn't leave my head, and I started working on it and working on it, [00:02:00] uh, until Legend Edition formed, which very much is its own beast. Um, there's been a few people who've looked at the fact that I use six ability scores and a D20 as a, as a core mechanic and say, "Oh, this is a D&D derivative." Um, it isn't... It's only that if you look at the barest surface, but looking at the surface is also very, um, shallow. I mean, by... I mean, if you're gonna g- if you're gonna go that low, then, um S- than say the Black Hack is a, is no different than playing D&D even though one's a, one's an aim high, one's an aim low. a better example is, and I've brought this up in the past, that'd be like saying Fading Suns is no different from D&D because they both use a D20. Even though Fading Suns is what I, is what I like to call D20 blackjack because it's about aiming high but also [00:03:00] aiming low Like you're trying I think un- you're trying to get under a threshold, but you're trying to get as close to it as you can Gotcha. Sure. I mean, yeah. I mean, people call tissue paper Kleenex, right? Like, that's just kind of, it's like the shorthand so that people know what there's talking about. But when you dive into it, every TTRPG is different, and Mm-hmm. this is the best version of Final Fantasy TTRPGs that's out there. So for players who wanna play Final Fantasy, yeah that was to estab- that was to establish a, that was to address a pet peeve that I had. And I, Oh? this the last time we talked about, but I have covered multiple Final Fantasy TTRPG projects, it Mmhmm games in all but name like Fabula Ult- like Fabula or Aegis, or direct fan projects like The Returners series of projects and the things that spun from them. And a pet [00:04:00] peeve that I had was a lot of them entirely on the SNES era. Now, don't get it wrong, like four, five, and six. A little bit mixed on Mystic Quest, but that's another story. But I know there's whole generations for whom they have more of an attachment to the PS1 era or the PS2 era. There's a whole generation for who- for whom 13 was their entry point. They speak on that as fondly as you or I might speak on six. There's gonna be a whole generation for whom 14, 15, and 16 have been their entry points. And those people, "Just house rule it," didn't sit with me. So I wanted Legend Edition to be a agnostic affair that draws upon the recurring mythos of Final Fantasy. Um, the exact kind of thing that MJ Gallagher has written several books about. [00:05:00] if you don't know, MJ Gallagher has written books on the mythological ties to multiple Final Fantasy entries. done two on seven, one on 16, and he's currently writing one for Tactics. Oh, nice uh, one on Tactics is going into, is going into things that I think even a lot of Tactics fans have overlooked. Things like ear- things like early Gnosticism, the c- the, um, idea of medieval demonology, and a lo- and a lot of, um, a lot of mythos about Be- about the story of Beowulf and story of the Knights Templar Mm-hmm. As well as the church relationships between Eng- between England and France and, of course, the Hundred Years' War. Taktics is a great game. There's a lot packed into it There's a lot packed into it. A lot Yeah especially the more [00:06:00] Shakespearean parts, is directly Matsuno's doing. And I've had a bit of a theory that the Cid in that one, Cidolfus Orlando, meant to be a nod to, um, um, El Cid, AKA El Campeador, the pr- the Prince of Valencia, who is kind of a national hero in Spain Okay. Yeah, I'm not familiar Mm-hmm. Oh. He was somebody who f- who fought on the side both Christians and Muslims during hi- during his time. Oh. Interesting especially in Valencia, kinda has this, kinda has the same heroic figure status that you'd see of a l- a lot of other medieval legends Mm-hmm. Uh, know if that's actually the case, but when I look at the position of that character, um, I can see the parallels[00:07:00] Sure But I wa- but the idea was I wanted something that was just as viable if someone was doing the high f- the, um, fantasy approach like in, um, like in the ori- like in the original or in three, the steam- the steampunk approach like in six, uh, or the futuristic approach like in eight or 13. Sure There's gonna be some house ruling, but minimal house ruling. Um, I've always held the belief that house ruling should be a spice and not the main dish Yeah, I mean, it's nice for people to be able to play the games the way they want to play. I think that's one of the main pillars of TTRPG is giving people the ability to customize, but also enough here that they can take something and work with it as is. [00:08:00] Uh, 'cause I, I don't wanna customize everything. That's why you're buying the game, right? So should we dive in maybe for some examples? Like, you- there's... What, what was it? Is it 56 classes? Jobs, I should say? around com- combining these, combining the ones from the, um, core book and the Ultima expansion, Yeah about jobs and four classes. Four pluses, right? Okay I do have to... Now, a lot of times job and class are interchangeable. In Yeah, I like the way you did this. Go ahead. Yeah things, and this is somewhat of a nod to the, to the delineation of jobs from the old Returners project that started in the mid-'90s. But it comes, it comes down to there are only four classes, and your class is basically a chassis. This is [00:09:00] what determines how well you develop HP and MP, what stats you're gonna be using for physical and magical combat, and how many skills that you have trained. Um, there are four of them. There are four classes as mentioned. Each of them corresponds to one of the original four crystals. Um, corresponds to the earth crystal, which is basically the per- basically everything physical combat is under that. Um, expert is kind of the skill monkey and corresponds with the wind crystal. Mage is self-explanatory and corresponds with the fire crystal, and adept, which is often the in-betweener, corresponds with the water crystal. There are also there are also a dozen or so jobs that are independent. These are jobs that are not associated with any of the four classes because when you're building a character, you're picking three [00:10:00] tracks. one that has fast progression, one that has medium progression, one that has slow progression. Any of the jobs are available. The only rule is at least one of them has to be associated with your class, and each, um, each class has about 11 or so jobs that are associated with it It doesn't have to be the first pick, it just has to be one of them. Oh. For ex- for example, um, the jobs associated with warrior are berserker, dervish, dragoon, fencer, fighter, knight, monk, samurai, sentinel, sniper, and weapon master. Oh. So if you take warrior, you gotta have one of them And this also means that you can't build a character out of nothing but independent jobs Hmm. I see Oh. Independent jobs are, I guess that, I guess I put them in the same category [00:11:00] as, like, prestige classes because they do re- they do re- not in the sense of you need to a bunch of stuff in order to qualify for them like you did with prestige classes back in the day. knows I'm not doing that. I did, I didn't like how some of those prereqs worked. more that th- they, the kit that they have demands a slightly higher system mastery, like a slightly hi- a slightly higher understanding of the way the mechanics work. And within the book, I have a disclaimer say basically saying, "You can pick th- you can pick these as your first character if you want to, but we do not recommend it." I see. Sure Of course, if you do do it and then you complain that it's too hard, don't come crying to me about it because you were given fair warning I love how when we were playing, [00:12:00] um, there are so many options. Mm-hmm. I think the replayability factor is gigantic with this game, 'cause even I hadn't thought about it too until you just mentioned it, but like I could be a warrior and then have the same three classes, but then I could play a different, um... Or, I'm sorry, the same three jobs, right? So I, I could have like a warrior class and then three jobs, change my class to something else with those same three jobs, and my play experience could be s- substantially different just based on my hit points, mana difference, skill difference. Not even to mention... um, weapons Yeah, and, and limit break. So the way that you play even the same three combination of jobs could be completely different. And I mean, not to mention the fact that you already mentioned there are 60, six- like a big, 6- 60 of them, right? So [00:13:00] I mean, it, it's, it was cra- it was... One of the hardest things was choosing what I actually wanted to play. Yeah also love that because it's like if you don't like it, just, you know, next time you create a character just build something different. Like I consider this the better form of analysis paralysis. Like a lot of Yeah, sure is in a game, it's more of wanting to pick a dis- to make a pick that's going to screw you over two or three sessions down, Mm-hmm. uh, or having to pre-plan your idea multiple levels in advance, which just creates false choice, which is also not ideal. Yep it's there are so... Instead, there are so many really good options that you could do that Right. is a good problem to have. That's a great problem to have a lot of the jobs are gonna be very familiar to people who have seen the job system as it's been presented over the years. Mm-hmm.[00:14:00] there are a few that aren't n- there are a few that are from adjacent games like Bravely Default, and there were a few that aren't in any of the video games, but I wanted to fill certain niches or certain motifs that I felt didn't quite fit any of the existing jobs Yeah Oh. And some of them are, the name is there where, where that name has been in past games, but the way it's executed is different to give it its own identity. Oh An example that comes to mind is the Arcanist. Um, I think one of the, one of the, of, one of the cases where Arcanist showed up is in Final Fantasy IV: The After Years. But ultimately it was just a black mage with a couple extra tricks, I Sure. Mm-hmm Then I looked [00:15:00] at the, um, Japanese version of the Arcanist job and it, and the translation for that is basically witch. Um, and I thought, "You know what? Let's build one around curses." So we Yeah, that's cool Um, and since you mentioned limit break, I will touch on that. Yeah conscious choice to not have limit break be some sort of uber attack Yeah I know that those w- I know that those kind of things are a staple Final Fantasy ever since VI. Um, VI technically first introduced it, VII obviously popularized it with a limit break gauge instead of it being a hidden mechanic. But at the end of the day, those are just jumped up versions of attacks, and for a tabletop system where you don't have the flashy effect to give a, Yeah signpost, that's not all that interesting[00:16:00] Not really. Yeah Especially since if I were to do it as a gauge, I would have to calculate out how the rate of gain for that gauge for any potential kind of attack. And to reference Batman Forever, it just raises too many questions Yeah, that's a dark hole of game design for sure. Mm-hmm. It's easy to miss something. You're dealing with a lot of interchanging pieces here with all the different jobs you can combine. I see the problem. Yeah So instead, I took inspiration from the game breaker rule that Fantasy Craft has. Fantasy Craft is one of the games I've listed as inspiration. It's one of... It is my favorite take on the 3.5, um, of the D20 system. I put it even above Pathfinder, that's how much I like Fantasy Craft in terms of sheer volume of flexibility. [00:17:00] But At a certain level, in- classes in Fantasy Craft have what is in turn, what is called by a lot of the homebrew community a game breaker, something that the class can already do just at a hi- just at a higher level. Sure Um, you sort of have something like this in video game form with the two-hour ability that was in Final Fantasy XI, which was this, um, improved version of what that job could already do. You just couldn't, you just could only do it once every two hours. Not once every two hours, it would've had a two-hour cool down. And the approach with this is you can activate a limit break when you're below half health. It lasts until the rest of the encounter, and is essentially an improved version of what that class already does. Uh And the catch is you have four limit breaks, three from your jobs and one from your class[00:18:00] Yeah Each of the... And when you activate one of them, you are locked off for the rest of the encounter from the other four, or from the other three, I should say So to use warriors as example, their limit break is action surge, which lets you make a weapon attack without using your action. You just can only do it once per round. Could you do this to do two attacks in the same round? Yes. You could also do other combinations if you want to as well Oh. You're just getting one weapon attack for free for the rest of the encounter, but some of the other stuff from your, from your job combinations you won't be able to do Uh, and I do wanna, I do want to touch on a moment for, um, the design philosophy we had when it came to feats Because one of the things that I tried my absolute best to avoid when introducing feats was feats that were just number go up[00:19:00] Sure The... There are a couple that are like that, but not in the same, but not exactly. A lot of times it was built on feats are little tricks that you can do to fur- to further personalize the character, and said tricks don't necessarily fit into any one existing Mm-hmm. And I f- I always felt that was the intent with feats when it was introduced in third edition D&D, of little tricks to personalize. somewhere along the l- line, the memo got lost or was put into forms I don't think it was designed for. You know, the whole feat chain problem or the feat tax problem as has been discussed plenty of spaces elsewhere. Um Yeah And to, and to that end, I don't really have a extensive amount of [00:20:00] prerequisites when it comes to feats. of times it's ju- it's just on three feat chains. Usually those ones have some kind of Roman numeral attachment I think a lot of what we're kind of talking about too, back to sort of the d- overall design of things, is that for almost every game out there, there's like ... I don't know if it's just the advent of the internet or now that, you know, all of us who grew up playing games are now adults and we kind of get games more, but there ends up being like the meta builds, right? And so you talk about like D&D and Mm-hmm. there's like this huge problem of like you can't play a rogue anymore in D&D 5.5E 'cause it's just terrible compared to the damage output of so many other classes. Oh, And a lot of people- on rangers. Yeah. Right. Right. And then a lot of people play as if combat or damage per turn or whatever is like the key factor, and if you aren't pumping out damage, then you aren't having [00:21:00] fun, right? But I, I think it's interesting that you've taken this approach with feats where it's like it's about things that you can do for your character. It's about the, the role play and the character building more than just the optimization. But I also think that just the sheer s- way that you've made this game makes it really hard to create any kind of like meta build. Like, maybe if, you know, a hundred thousand people were playing this game every week, there would start to be some patterns emerge, but it seems to me as if you've gone to really great lengths to give every class its own personality, Mm-hmm. I think that y- people would have a very hard time finding anything that's gonna be like super busted basically. It's more about having the fun playing the character you wanna play instead of optimizing every little thing. Yeah. Now, there's a, there's a couple things I can say on that. One,[00:22:00] Sure I will be flat out honest, whether it be in tabletop games, in video games, in war games, in board games, in card games, any kind of game period, loathe meta Me too. Because Me too I am, and I s- I have done my fair share of t- of tournaments, whether it be in, um, card, whether it be in card games. I w- I, I'm not great at it , but I did dabble in tournament scenes in, um, fighting games growing up. Cool I certainly don't do it as, as much these days, but I... But something I did. the reason I hate meta so much is I'm, I grew, I grew up ar- I grew up around a lot of, a lot of freestyle artistry. You know, whether it be Hmm import, the, um, the whole import tuner craze of the early [00:23:00] 2000s, the go- or listening to, listening to early hip hop in the golden age of sampling, j- or just remix culture with, um, music. Or j- or just the idea of freestyling when it came to building, um, stuff with Lego as a little kid. That's awesome. Yeah that idea of expression of building the style that, that fits y- that fits you, not necessarily is the best numbers. And Yeah what really helped hammer this home for me was when I was spending a bit of time revisiting, um, various shooters. And especially re- especially, um, getting an understanding for what the intent of the perk system in, say, early Call of Duty was Mm-hmm Because if you look at the perk list in say Modern Warfare or Mo- or Modern Warfare [00:24:00] 2 or Black Ops or whatnot, it's not about raw numbers. It is about, it is about picking ones that best fit a certain play style that you're trying to go for. Yeah Uh, like for example, somebody who picks scavenger probably gonna be using a light machine gun, because scavenger lets you get more ammo on ammo pickups so that, so you have more bull- you have more bullet per bullet. And if you're using an LMG, you're gonna be eating through that ammo pretty fast Oh. It's not really, it's not really about the numbers per se. And I've s- a similar thing to an extent with some of the unlocks in games like Team Fortress 2, where not picking them for numbers or percentages, you're picking them for a certain style. Uh, like a common build when I would play Pyro in was [00:25:00] having things like the flare gun and the Axtinguisher. The flare gun is a secondary, lets you set people on fire at range. It's just on an arc so it is a little bit tricky to use. And the Axtinguisher auto- always does critical hits if you're hitting somebody while they're on fire. So you can see how they feed into each other. And there were certain combinations that we saw where we thought this could be a particular annoyance or this could be a particular pest in combat, but it was funny so we kept it. one of the early examples of that that we've brought up and that we've brought up plenty of times over the years is somebody doing Arcanist and Fencer. Because Arcanist is all about incubating a curse within themself and then transferring that curse as a debuff to the next person who hits them. Fencer is all about taunting an enemy to force th- to force them in a duel where both sides get bonuses to hitting each other and penalties to [00:26:00] hitting anybody else There's good synergies for sure Mm-hmm. when it comes to the... There's been no end of arguments about game balance. seen, I've seen it talked Sure f- back and forth. I've seen people talk about balancing issues with this game back and forth. A Yeah me to, a lot of the balance arguments puts me to sleep for the same reason the, um, math breakdowns of classes back when I would follow the brilliant GameZologist forums put me to sleep. Even if I did rip off the whole Godzilla thing as a this is what I don't want. But The, but the, To bo- to dial myself back a bit, um We take an, we take a policy called Brawl Minus when it comes to game balance. The attitude being if everyone's potentially broken on all sides of the fence, no one is. So for a bit of context, Brawl [00:27:00] Minus was a response mod, some say a meme mod, to a mod for Smash Brothers Brawl called Brawl Plus. The intent with Brawl Plus was to nerf a lot of the overpowered elements in Brawl. Um, Meta Knight, I'm looking right at you. know what you did. Brawl Minus took the opposite approach of instead of nerfing the overpowered stuff, just make everybody ridiculously overpowered That sounds like a lot of fun Like, like a fully charged warlock punch from Ganondorf in Bro- in Brawl Minus could be a one-hit, um, knockout. And as ridiculous as that is, still the signposting and still the tells that can be punished if someone knows what they're doing. So as, as overpowered as everything is, there is still an internal logic of if you got hit by something like that, you were ignoring the very obvious tells and that, and [00:28:00] you're getting punished for that. Mm-hmm. you know, in the s- in the same way that I remember when I would, when I would play a lot of Halo 2, and a lot of people hated the glitch, um, BXR. And I had defended it because I, because at the time I had said the timing window for it is very specific, and if you don't get it right, you are going to get punished you just left yourself wide open and you can't hit back Yeah. Things that are strong come with a downside or they're projected so it's defendable against it Mm-hmm. And there is the concept in game design called signposting, where this is where you have those very obvious tells about what you should stay away from or what you should be wary about 'cause something's gonna come. Uh, and when you have the, when you have th- when you have that particular signpost and then you [00:29:00] ignore it, then it becomes your own fault, and you gotta deal with the consequences of that. Uh, think of any video game RPG where you've seen where the, where the game is telling you the enemy's preparing for a large attack, then you don't shore up your defenses and you get wiped Oh, it's the, it's the same principle. And I never want... I, be- I remember being so annoyed when I would see certain game developers take combinations that the community had discovered on their own that were, that added to the fun factor of creatively overcoming obstacles and take that away from them. Uh Yeah, it's kind of a lame approach for sure It's not only a lame approach, but I feel like it sends the wrong message. To me, it sends the message of don't bother getting better at the game because we're just gonna take away your tools. Yeah. Don't be creative yeah, [00:30:00] a big example of this would be Mercy hopping exploit that was found early on in Overwatch, where people figured out that with the right timing using Mercy's movement mechanics, they could clear a lot of ground very quickly. About less than a week after that was discovered, it got patched out Sure. Yeah, I, I, uh, it's a tough thing as a game designer too, because I do also feel you have a vision Mm-hmm. how you want the game to be played, and there are just some things where you didn't imagine it being used in a certain way, and it wasn't intended. And if it does become the situation where it's like, now that we know this exists, Mm-hmm. who does wanna play for the optimal meta build now must do this. Yeah That can take away from the fun as well, but I, I think it depends on, like, your priorities as a game designer. Like, is it is it around the fun? Is it around the [00:31:00] creativity? Is it around your original vision? And y- I often find you have to balance all of those things actually, so th- there have been some times where I've taken away toys from other people as well. Um, but yeah Legend Edition, because it's built around being, being a sandbox, having whatever my specific vision is, is not as important. The only time that I've really modified something so that it ta- so to take away certain tools that I f- I felt were, um, stepping over the line is if, is if I felt it was undermining other things. Um, the, the, um, benchmark that I use for this sort of thing is I don't want a knock spell. Um, I was never a big fan of spells like knock or teleport Hmm or oth- other games. I wasn't a fan of knock because I f- because I [00:32:00] felt it completely undermined the presence of having a rogue in the party. Like, Yeah, sure. why have Right all the time rolling to pick a, to pick a lock when you, when the wizard can cast knock and the lock is no longer a problem? Have the wizard be a rogue, yeah And I didn't like spells like teleport 'cause that, 'cause I felt that r- that took away from the narrative control of the Sure GM. Um, especially if you can tel- especially if you can just teleport right to where the dungeon is instead of having to Sure. thing of fi- of trying to find out where it is. Yeah and in the same vein, I also wanted to avoid things like CODZilla. Uh, CODZilla is something that came out of the tier sys- the tier system of effectiveness that the Brilliant Gamesologist forums, um, devised, where somebody re- the COD is short for cleric or druid, and it was a reflection Okay that somebody who [00:33:00] knows what they're doing with either of those classes is an entire party by themself. Yeah and to that end, when it came to designing the jobs, something that I tried to avoid was the idea of a single job being multi-role. Um, Yeah. I was impressed by that really quick as well. You know, when I was reading through the first time, and I mean, every time I go into it, Mm-hmm. it is very crystal clear what each class does. Mm-hmm. it, it, it's so focused that if it was only one... You could only play one class at a time, it may feel a little narrow, but I actually love that because you're mixing. Mm-hmm. think you, you really lasered in on what each job does and what they're about Yeah. Like for, for example, um, I had, I had gotten a bit of pushback over the fact that with the paladin, unlike s- [00:34:00] unlike plenty of the games, I did not give the paladin access to white magic. Um, part of that was had to answer the question, well, what do, what do you do if you have a paladin and white mage as part of your job trio? now Sure. things that would overlap. You're both... Yeah two, I felt pal- I felt the identity of paladin more centered around covering allies and taking the hits for them rather than white magic. Plus, I've never been a fan of, um, of half casters Interesting. Yeah. 'Cause they end up doing both things poorly in most games. Yes. Yeah. Oh Yeah, they're like half people basically. Yeah, the, the big pr- the big problem with, the big problem with it is doing that s- doing that sort of multi-role is gonna run into conflict when y- when class systems in general are about [00:35:00] specialization. Having a generalist in a b- in a game built around specializations has an inherent contradiction. feel like this is Sure why in D&D, um, the ranger has been cursed since the days of AD&D. Yeah, th- there's no identity there. I mean, I, there's no identity, and I, I think that's probably another big thing, right? Like, they, they don't know what they want ranger to be. You're just like a ranged fighter, but then you're not. But the things that you can do, anybody can do. It's not really that interesting. Yeah, I had... The funny thing is the one edition that I'm supposed to hate but I don't because the check bounced actually solved that issue Um, the fourth edition ranger, I don't have that problem with Oh yeah, I actually like fourth edition. Mm-hmm. It's kind of a bum that nobody else did I, I've, I've been a fan of fourth edition since it started out in 2008, and I have routinely taken the piss out of people [00:36:00] who go with that MMO argument, and I basically tell them, have no idea how MMOs actually work if that's your, um, main ar- if that's your main argument." Um, and Especially s-since, um When it comes to, when it comes to the po- when it comes to the power setup, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that, that so many of us had reference index cards And nowadays you can get whole spell decks for casters Sure But I r- but the Ranger in fourth was one of the premier, one of the premier examples of the striker. real problem that it had was one infamous daily power that got, um, errated out that led to the meme of Kenshiro Orcaslayer, because if you hit, you could keep hitting until you missed. Oh. Um It's like [00:37:00] Thunderfury weapon or whatever it's called in WoW. Mm-hmm. The first- Yeah Yeah, and Orcus was one of the big high-level monsters in the, in Wind theory. Manual. Got it somebody who had the l- had the luck of the dice gods on their side could ju- Yep. keep Just one shot it. Yeah. he runs out. So Yep the And becau- because of that I w- I wanted... Now, with a lot of games, they can have multi-role effects with their classes because you're only picking that one class for the most part. Here, the multi-roleness comes from the combination of your class and jobs, also Yeah the fact that there's plenty of characters throughout Final Fantasy that don't quite fit one particular job exclusively Also because jobs changed between iterations. So, I mean, your solution makes a world of sense Yeah, like the, the knight in the original [00:38:00] Final Yeah. Right ultimately a proto-paladin. Right. Yeah. When you mentioned cover, that was the first thing I thought of Yeah, I th- I think the, when people think of the paladin in the classic sense, the first version they're gonna think of is Cecil in IV. Um, and in that s- in, in that same vein, there were s- there were some casting lists that were easy to design for. The hardest one was Blue Magic because, um, Blue Magic goes literally all over the place in every iteration, and when I That's like the point of it, yeah. Yeah a specific thing was important Right Ah. And I will, I will note that, um, with the ones that I took liberties with, those ones still that rule of I need to answer what exa- what exactly its [00:39:00] big, for lack of a better term, gimmick is. Um, now some got r- some were under other names but got renamed because of things I wanted to avoid. Dynamo was Gunner originally, um, meant to be a bit of a nod to the g- to the Gunner dressphere in X-2. Um, Mm-hmm. that and I said I wanted a John Woo-like, um, job. But of the fact that the job system is divorced from required weapons, which was something I wanted to do from the word go, um, I felt that calling it Gunner or calling the sniper, it was originally Archer, would Hmm Yeah from that So I went with names that were a little bit broader in that sense. and the other reason One of the things I'm obviously the most proud of is the weapon system and the fact that it is divorced from your choice [00:40:00] of job. So you could play a bl- you could have Black Mage as part of your combo and use a long sword, um, and still make it work because in addition to that whole not m- not fitting thing, there's If I were to do a standard weapon list that you see in a lot of fantasy games, there are so many weapons within Final Fantasy that don't fit that Yeah. Yeah, there's so many, yeah. Um, whether it the pinwheel for Noah, yeah yeah, the weird pinwheel thing that Rinoa has, Yeah um the, over- the oversized, um, shurikens that Yuffie has, the fact that hair accessories are the weapon of choice for Red XIII. Um, the Plus the, plus, um, I'd, I would, I'd think of certain unorthodox weapons that I would always pick in [00:41:00] other fantasy games. like I was I think I was m- I think once I was, um, like I was playing a character in an Eberron campaign that involved the desert elves, which are an interesting beast in and of themselves. I said, "You know what? It would fit that, it would fit that my character uses a khopesh instead of a long sword." Um- And isn't anything in the rule set for a khopesh, obviously, so we had to make that up Yeah And I've also mentioned that no matter what, there's gonna be some that has some weapon that ha- that has the same cool factor as when people first saw the Buster Sword back in 1997. Mmhmm instead of telling them, "Just house rule it," which is like pushing them off the deep end and saying, "Swim, damn it." Uh, I w- I wanted to, I wanted to provide a framework where people could make those unorthodox weapons[00:42:00] That's awesome instead, instead of just being Sisyphus having to constantly make new and bigger weapon lists. Uh, and again, for example, I, I know that the... There's the, um, common motif of the monk uses unarmed weapons, except when it doesn't. But I remember in the past pitching, "Okay, instead of, instead of using unarm- instead of using just bare hands, um, why, why not use a... why not use something like, say, a rope dart or a, um, sansetsukon?" Uh, a sansetsukon is a three-section staff Hmm. Okay. Yeah And obviously a rope dart is, well, exactly what you think it is. And I have, I have plenty of players who are firearm enthusiasts, much like me, and I know that they would come up with some unorthodox suggestions, [00:43:00] and I'm like, "Go, go right ahead with it." Um, I know one It's awesome who, who was playing this giant character, he said, "I wanna lug, I wanna lug around a m- a slightly miniaturized version of a punt gun." I'm like, "I'll let you do it, but, but you're... But, um, you can only fire it every other round because it's a punt gun. Those things weren't meant to be carried." Like, for context, a punt gun was a type of ridiculously oversized shotgun for m- for commercial duck hunting that was supposed to be mounted on a small boat, a punt They eventually Yeah, players won't do that good at their job Players will do that. They'll try to do the things that they shouldn't be doing. And, We-- I was gonna say we, we have a little bit of time left. I don't mean to cut you off on that thought, but, uh, once you finish that thought, I would love to go through some more of the classes and like just the, the most broken or [00:44:00] insane or fun stuff that people have come up with so far Um, I will note that from a design perspective, I like giving players powerful but unsafe equipment. benchmark for that kind of thing is if you remember the Noisy Cricket from Men in Black, that, Oh yeah, that was... I love that. Yeah. Oh. You know, That's awesome a hell of a lot of damage, but every time you fire the thing, you get sent flying Mm-hmm. Yeah. Why not? oh, this As far as cl- as far as some of the individual class, some of the individual classes and jobs, as far as some of the ideas, um, I remember being really proud of the way, um, fighter turned out. So a lot of times the fighter has the selling point of, "Oh, you can equip any weapon." But most people are gonna pick one way they equip their character and stick to it Yeah And I, I built [00:45:00] the fighter based on Firion's appearance in the Dissidia games, he's carrying around 10 different types of weapons That's awesome using all, and using all of them in his combos. So like, all right, the fight- the fighter is the walking arsenal. The weapon master is the opposite end. Um- Ah There was also the f- there's also, um, I think there's, there's some jobs that I think got slept on, that get slept on by people. Um, one of them that especially comes to mind is the Spiritmaster. Um, Spiritmaster is a def- is a defensive favoring support, um, But their Spiritism ability is, for those, those of, those who have used it properly, um, have caused a lot of salt because it doesn't remove debuffs, it moves them. It moves buffs as well from any Nice to another participant[00:46:00] That's awesome So it's a really great way to screw over the, B-beg that just put a bunch of buffs on th- that just put a few buffs on themselves. You know, you can have the B-beg go, "I'm, I'm conflicting, I'm inflicting paralyze on one of your a- on one of your allies," and somebody who's got Spirit Master can say, no you don't, and congratulations, now you're paralyzed." Sure. Yeah, it's really incredible Mm-hmm. Uh, and the l- something I tried to av- I tried to avoid was giving h- was giving whole new s- there's plenty of, there's plenty of, um, charac- there's plenty of characters and builds that have some sort of sub mechanic, like some sort of resource or the like, which Mmhmm reason I avoided doing the whole limit gauge thing because that'd be one more thing to track. Uh, but I wanted [00:47:00] to avo- I wanted to avoid, um, a setup that might pigeonhole a particular build or a particular, um, job. Um, like for, for example, somebody wants to just slightly dip into magic, you have multiple ways to do it. You could do it through a spell casting enhantment- enhancement from a magic weapon. could do it by get- by getting scrolls and be- because of the way consumables work, you are gonna be able to use that spell for the rest of the in- for the rest of the in- of, um, that adventure until you hit downtime again. But you do have access to it. just... And that can pair very well with something like ma- with something like Magic Knight, which has more in common with the Magus class in Pathfinder than a lot Hmm the traditional ma- a lot of the traditional Magic Knight approaches. Uh, and [00:48:00] it wasn't long before, it wasn't long before that came up that the idea of a caster build out of Outlaw Star came to be. Um, there's... I've s- I have seen pe- I've seen people, um- Go com- go completely s- go completely support based using c- using a combination of general and, um, and squire. So that they, Yeah able to do a lot of attacks, but if they're patient, they're let, they're gonna let their, um, party do a lot of attacks, especially with things like blade work. Um really liked the looks of Squire. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it, in fact. Squire was a hard one to write for because I bet it was couldn't use a lot of the t- I couldn't use the techniques as is for Squire in tactics because it's meant to be your starter. Um, and instead I built it around the idea that it is this, this ultimate [00:49:00] pocket pick. And think... I will note that th- that, um, a lot of the design with the classes and jobs starts to click if you look at them like you would look at positions on a team sport Yeah, I agree with that Because any team sport, whether it be hockey, whether it be, whether it be rugby, whether it be football or other football, you don't really have a jack-of-all-trades position You have several multi-role positions and usually a, a secondary role as a backup for when the play breaks down, and it will. But you don't have somebody who's supposed to be good at everything Oh. And that was, that was how, that was that was a design, uh, goal that I, that I had. Um, I think you hit that. and- Yeah, it, it's fun too. I'll just interject really quick because I think a lot of modern game design is [00:50:00] about being able to do everything, and every class starts to feel the exact same. Mm-hmm. Um, I've even, you know, played a lot of different games out there that are classless and messed around with them myself with my own design in the past, and I find that people tend to gravitate towards the same things. They're like, "I wanna be able to fly and have invisibility and invincibility." And I actually like it a lot more when you're like, "Look, this is what I do, and then everything else I suck at," because it gives specific spotlights for everybody in the party to be able to jump in and do their thing. You're not always good, and that's part of, I think, the fun Mm-hmm. Ah. And for, for me, I wa- I always saw the high skill floor when it came to people really being able to explore the [00:51:00] potential customizations with s- with job design, and also Yeah of that, that sameyness in some of the more freeform ones. And Yeah. Yeah. games, pe- the selling point that people give me is, "Oh, you can build just about anything." The problem is a Not really. And Yeah. one th- And, And, meta builds. to mind yeah. to go for it especially with, um, false choice as I call it, is Shadowrun agree with it. Yeah, yeah, the idea of false choice is a big one, and I think people who aren't game designers often overlook that. But there's a lot of things out there, it's like, "Oh, you have 1,000 choices," but really it's like, yeah, but do you... Like, do you really? No. It's usually only a few things that are, like, the best. And oftentimes too, if you take something, it's either actively bad or it's so much worse than something else that you actually can't choose it, so it's, it's not a real choice [00:52:00] And I think of, um, I think of Sha- I think of Shadowrun where it ends up having a class system while trying to pretend it doesn't Sure. Sure, sure. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, so I un- I understand exactly what you're saying. Mm-hmm. And on, on the other Yeah um, you know, some g- some designers try to build these traps for some reason. Um Yeah To tr- to try and encourage system mastery. But the pro- I've always ha- I've always had an issue when games have the, try to have this hard divide between the people just learning the system and the people who've been at it for years, with not an Yeah pathway from one to the other I agree And whenever I've talked about that, s- some have con- have equate- have equated that to wanting ha- wanting the handheld, [00:53:00] and that's not the case. it's more, it's more about establishing where, where the li- where the lines are. Um, Mm-hmm. and I feel like what I've tried to do with Legend Edition is those lines end up being created organically because instead, instead of looking at character creation of, in the sense of, "Oh, we, we need a bl- we need a black mage for the party, so who's g- who's gonna be that?" It's more about I have a character concept in mind, and I'm using the tool set to try and get as close to that concept as I can It's awesome Uh, and there's nothing wrong with the idea of, oh, you're building a c- you're building a character class first and then going around it. That's how early D&D works, in a sense. Sure it's not something I think is compatible with f- with, um, Final Fantasy as s- as the series progressed[00:54:00] Yeah Because there are plenty of characters, even in games that are explicitly class-leaning, like say, IX, where they end up fit- they end up fitting the niche of multiple jobs instead of just one. Uh, at, say, um, Amarant in Final Fantasy IX I was thinking of him as well He's basically a hybrid between monk and ninja. Or in Final Fantasy X, look at the territory of, um, say Tidus on the, um, lic- on, not on the license grid, in the, um, sphere grid. Mmhmm a lot of it leans into time mage and squire-like effects. Uh And you have that, you have that sort of asterisk where in a lot of class-based games you're picking this one thing and that's it. But a lot of Final Fantasy characters, [00:55:00] you can't really fit them into that one thing And that's not even getting into the idea that some people might wanna go off the beaten path Right? For sure So with wrapping up, I have a couple more things to cover. Um, one class, for example, that I really wanna play some point coming up for a very specific reason is the Oracle, and that reason is because I can self and-- self-damage myself to get myself to a limit break faster. Are there other classes that, that use self-damage for a bonus of some kind so that, you know, somebody wants to, like, limit break as often as possible? So Lim- because limit break is a bu- is a buff, um, and the f- and the fact that between, that you do full heal between encounters, um, trying to, trying to race to limit [00:56:00] break all the time isn't as beneficial as it may sound. Um, I just wanted to try it at least one time And any sort of... There are some ef- there are some effects that, aside from Oracle, that let you do that kind of, um, that kind of risk thing. Um, obviously one of the big examples is gonna be Dark Knight, who Okay when they're using Soul Eater, they can add a die of any size, aside from D20, their d- to their damage. However, whatever that additional die rolled, they ta- they take in direct HP reduction Yeah, I love it Oh In the s- in the same... There's a similar thing that works for, um, paladin when it comes to cover. Or not when it Right when it comes to paladin's oath. They can add that Oh, okay to their defenses, but the next t- but the next time they're targeted with an attack and that [00:57:00] attack is a miss, whatever that bonus they got from that die was, they take in, um, reduction Which I felt the theme of sacrifice that's a, that is key to the paladin identity I think so too. I also like that it's a foil, in a sense, for Dark Knight. There's a lot of threads in these classes that are really fun to pull at when you start getting into it. I can tell a lot of heart and passion has gone into making this. Mm-hmm. So I guess the next question with that, this is probably my last question, or it's like a little series of questions. But have you thought... Because Final Fantasy, like when we played, the story was great, and the adventure was super fun, and everything that you made I really loved. Also, though, Final Fantasy is like often thought of as a very combat-heavy series. Have you thought about [00:58:00] doing some kind of like PVP tournament where it's just like build your biggest, baddest team and fight against people online? And, you know, you've, you have, you have like a tournament series that's, you know, like you schedule once a week to you and your party fight somebody else. Or having that kind of thing, but then like for bosses, where it's like you and your friends build a team, you know, once a week you fight against some mega boss. You're not really intended to win, but, you know, it can be like a little bit of a competition thing for the community sort of thing. Just curious if you thought about these kind of things. I have given them some thought, and the idea of, of, um, PVP I, I would not advise because it really is built with the idea of the party has its own particular set of mechanics and the NPCs and their, Got it have their own particular set of mechanics opposite them. It's... I've, I [00:59:00] remember, I remember going through a bunch of, a bunch of games in the mid-2000s that ha- that did the whole PCs and NPCs are built the same way, and I, I don't wanna do that, um, Sure, sure becau- because it... I feel like it would fall back into that same n- into that sameness that we talked about earlier. Mm-hmm. Mmhmm on the other hand, the i- the idea of competitively going up, going up against a certain boss, um, that I'd be a, that'd be a little bit more willing to go with. Um, it would certainly, it would certainly fit alongside some of the um, style video games that we, that we've seen over the last few years, stuff like, um, stuff like Dead by Daylight or the Friday the 13th game, for example. Or even the battle mode, uh, multiplayer entry that was in Doom Eternal. [01:00:00] Uh This i- this idea of asynchronous play. And the approach that I'd probably do is not a, "Oh, this is a, this is a, um, this is a near impossible bo- because I don't wanna revisit the trauma that people have had to deal with with certain hidden bosses in RPGs, Sure. every Tri-Ace game I've ever played. Or the, um... Are you familiar with, are you familiar with the infamy that was Absolute Virtue in Final Fantasy XI? No. No, I'm not familiar on record as one of the mo- as one of the hardest raid bosses of all time. Uh, like, it, it's just a long, long slog. Got it. I mean, that's no fun either. Yeah of course when people figured out how to beat, how to do exploits to beat it, they're like, "All right, we're gonna make him even harder." Got it. I have a special level of [01:01:00] hatred towards, Ozma as a hidden boss, mostly because he cheats. that's not Yep that's not me exaggerating. There's parts in his AI where you can completely jump his, um, ATB gauge depending I see. which is Yeah, I'm not surprised. why I Yeah the same way AI in, um, some RTS campaigns cheat Sure In, mostly in the they have unlimited resources and you don't kind of way Yeah, that's a pretty big cheat Oh. But what I'd prob- what I'd probably end up d- what I'd probably end up doing is some sort of, some sort of raid boss like enc- like encounter where beat, where, um, it's not just be- it's not just about beating the opponent, but also beating the opponent, surviving, and d- doing certain additional challenges Yeah[01:02:00] There's, I like there lot. Um, Yeah obvious- so think, think less of a raid boss in WoW and think more of, um, say a mission in Monster Hunter Yep, I'm tracking Oh. And 'cause I f- 'cause I f- I feel like doing a, doing a PVP thing is something that doesn't... It, it's certainly there in PVP. It has been in FF XI and XIV. But I feel like getting the coliseum part of the identity, you know, the coliseum mini-game that's been in multiple games, uh, the way to go about that would be to would be, would be to do something beyond just PVP, whether it be escalating monster types or, um, something that I just came up on the fly, a wager [01:03:00] system like you see in some ARPGs, where you can intentionally nerf yourself to potentially get better loot Yeah, yeah. It just comes to mind, I, and I think maybe you're totally right about this too, I mean, PVP can kinda be a feel bad thing sometimes as well. Mm-hmm. Whereas if you are even loosely competing against somebody, or maybe not even competing, but just, you know, competing against yourself to try and do X, Y, Z thing, fighting, like, a boss. I personally like competition a little bit, so maybe that could be fun. But, um, yeah, I hope you try something like that, 'cause I would, I would be in for it. I could get, I could get three other guys together, to be and we would, you yeah. see me build a s- build a separate, um, say c- say card game or s- or skirmish war Sure lean in- to lean into that instead Sure, sure Um, 'cause I feel like that would be- that would better f- fit that since [01:04:00] obviously I, even in those ca- even in, um, something like that, I still don't wanna have to deal with meta. I, Sure if you, I want, I would want to, um, I would wanna have it le- less akin to the flag or team deathmatch, and more akin to, like, big team battle in H- in Halo, for example. Sure a way, a way to experiment with the sa- with the sandb- with given sandbox, but not necessarily building it arou- around one, around one particular meta. Yeah. as I get it as- a bit of an aside, there wa- there was a incident at a, um, Yu-Gi-Oh tournament years ago where somebody in with a random ass deck and completely embarrassed everybody, and it was his first tournament. Because Oh, that's awesome. for, they were all planning for this very, very specific meta at that [01:05:00] tournament, and he wasn't playing that, so they ha- so they were basically coming in completely blind and had , and had no I love that no strategy at first to prepare for, and only got one as they adapted ov- over the, over subsequent rounds. Mm-hmm Um, it's ... Imagine, imagine a football coach spending hours watching film, only to realize he's watching film for the wrong team he's playing against Yeah, totally Oh. And I've I think that kind of thing's hilarious. I love that. yeah, I've always appreciated, um, I've always appreciated people pulling dumb stuff in games I agree. Yeah, I think it's part of the creativity and the fun and that, that's what we're talking about, right? Like, that's-- it's a role-playing game, so you can role play a character you want, not to optimize. But, Yeah um, yeah, I th- I guess we should probably wrap up here, Mm-hmm.[01:06:00] but I feel like we'll have more conversations coming up in the future. Is there anything else you want to wrap up with? Um, Or final things you wanna say, I, I should say? I will note that while it is gonna be a slow process, I am in the early stages of writing world books for Legend Edition. Cool. Um, Good to know been working on a, in a, um, not necessarily a default campaign setting, but a potential campaign setting, um, that I've codenamed Project Gaia. Um, which is do- is doing th- is doing a bit of, um, of steam pu- of steampunk with magic. It was my answer to the question of the magic versus technology motif that's often in steampunk and other speculative fiction. The answer I give is and technology are two sides of the same whole and feed into each other So, Well, that's great. mm-hmm Yeah, I'm [01:07:00] looking forward to that Oh yeah And, Well, thank you so much for coming on today then, Mildreth. It's always a pleasure. Oh, yeah I hope everybody, if you haven't tried out Legends Edition yet, you really need to. Um, I'll make sure to include a link. It is a free download for anybody who's been listening in and, you know, doesn't know anything about the project yet. Uh, it's a great game. I think you should take a look, find what class and jobs you wanna try, and, uh, yeah, let us know what you're having the most fun with with your group Mm-hmm. Oh otherwise, we will catch everybody later then Stay frosty Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's funny you said w- um, 45 minutes. We ended up going an hour and seven. Uh
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